Saturday, December 30, 2006

New Year's Weekend

Dear Friends:

As we approach the threshold of 2007, I can already sense a change in
the region and in the world. I will be writing about that tomorrow.
There is a changing of the guard...

I am hoping each of you has a great weekend and day off.

Aaron will be out of service tomorrow. Continue to keep him in prayer.
His recovery was a little rougher than he expected. I think we will
just use CD's tomorrow. Be praying for Mike and Aaron as we are going
to begin our own changing of the guard transition.

We received 2 responses to emails I sent out already. I will keep you
up to date on these.

January 27th ARC meeting. Need to get responses to plan trip. I did not
receive any responses to this. I also know many of you have been busy,
so let me know.

Love,
Lee & Tina

ADDRESS
http://pcfministries.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, December 26, 2006

Tonight

Dear Friends:

Hope you all had a great Christmas day with friends and family. One of
the coolest(hardest parts) of the day was when my daughter brought a
DVD one of my nephews had made of my stepmom and Dad. The first tears
since my Dad's death for him nearly 9 years ago.

Anyways we are on for tonight and look forward to seeing you.

Love,
Lee & Tina

ADDRESS
http://pcfministries.blogspot.com/

Friday, December 22, 2006

Retreat

Dear Friends:

The one thing I forgot to address earlier, is I would like to plan a
Fri. night-Saturday "retreat" here. I need to get a handle on how many
would be interested in January. I will be planning another Lake George
Retreat in the early spring but I feel like maybe Singing Hills for a 2
day retreat. I will get prices in the next day or so, but would like
some feedback. I think all of us have found the results of spending
time together to be a prequisite for feeling good.

Thanks!

Love,
Lee & Tina

ADDRESS
http://pcfministries.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, December 19, 2006

Christmas Party Tonight

Folks:

Tina and I are looking forward to you joining us tonight.

And if you wonder if prayer helps as we pray for the businesses on
Sunday morning...
http://rutlandherald.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061219/NEWS/
612190374/1003

Love,
Lee & Tina

ADDRESS
http://pcfministries.blogspot.com/

Friday, December 15, 2006

Christmas Party

Folks:

I want to remind each of you about the Christmas party on Tuesday
night. Hopefully, we can each bring something. After last week I expect
it to be a joyous time. I hope you will all get a babysitter. Tina will
be home tomorrow night and in church on Sunday and will arrange
whatever fine details need to be done. If you have suggestions, please
t us know.

And if you are receiving this, it is because we would like to have you
there.

We love you.

Many of you were there on Tuesday as I shared about the couple I
prophesied over in their home. Here is the beginning of the fruit.
We(As a group) so dearly need each one of you to pray, to love and to
deepen our relationships with one another. This is a letter I received
this morning from the man.

hi lee, hope this finds all's well in your world. thanks so much for
your e-mail. it was printed out and given to my brother yesterday
afternoon. will let him read it, and get back to me today. on a wild
guess, what do you think we could get for the breakfront, snowblowers,
and lawn mower? my brother has stepped down as co-excecutor giving me
room to move. but i am still keeping him in the loop so there will be
less conflict down the road. he likes the idea of less stuff going to
the landfill. i am sorry i did not e-mail you yesterday, but i promised
lizzy i would stay off the computer and the phone yesterday. i was
wound way too tight. this is the last thing i can do for my dad, and it
will be done to the very best of my abilities. i loved my parents. when
they adopted me, they took me out of a life style that would have
killed me. i carry many passions partly due to an addictive personality
which has it's own potholes. i have been clean for 20 years and sober
for 8 . thankfully i got together with lizzy. it's amazing what love
can do. she still put up with a lot until, thru our love, i kind of
found myself. i owe her so much. it looks like i am going to owe you a
lot also. you touched buttons in me. not many people have done that. on
1 hand, i would have fingers left over after the count. i believe in
you and your ways. i am coming up saturday morning with my daughter and
the boys i spoke of to start the process. i would appreiciate a little
guidance on getting things started on the right foot. if you send me an
e-mail this morning, i will call you when it's a good time for you, my
phone has free long distance. please have a great day and hope to talk
soon. thanks ever so much-lee

Love,
Lee & Tina

ADDRESS
http://pcfministries.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, December 12, 2006

Something to share

Folks:

For years I have struggled with why don't we "get it." I have asked
myself often what it is that Jesus did. We have Him so being more
anointed, etc. could not be the answer. While reading Donald Trump's
newest book, <underline>Rich Dad, Poor Dad</underline> Robert Kiyosaki
spoke of how people learn. For years I have said that if you do role
playing or "push" people into the foray, good things happen. And over
the years many have "criticized" my style. Well, as I read this book I
realized why. If we do not have an interactive church in the coming
days( As I fully believe Jesus did.) we are going to get the same
results as we have been. Minimal in many respects. So Trump and
Kiyosaki spoke of the Cone of Learning. So, I am sending you one. it
is time to push the limits of what we know. Look how little reading is
retained. On the other hand if we took that scripture and began to
use, it would bring our retention to 70%. If we simulate it 90%.

Selah

Sunday, December 03, 2006

I thought you would think this funny!

Folks:

This morning was totally awesome...We had a wonderful time in the
Lord. The release of prophetic words(Soon to be posted on the blog.
See below) were quite exciting. Something is shifting. We had a new
family show up. Two in two weeks.

Some everyday news...Our offering is increasing(And so is our giving!)
and we are thankful for the space we have at the Springfield S&L. we
have been supporting Project Feed The Thousands, SE Coleman in
Guatemala, and are making donations this month to His Mansion, a faith
based home for addicts and alcoholics and the Apostolic Resource
Center. For those of you who like to give online, we can accept
payments of tithes and/or offerings at Paypal.com. Simply use our
address for Paypal by selecting "send money" and then using the email
address of lee@pocafministries.org.

Also, our Pre-Paid Legal initiative has born fruit for the ministry
and that is helping us as well. Visit
http://vermontel.net/~servant/ministryopportunity/ We hope to have
more become involved helping the ministry prosper while providing
great services for your home and business.

We met with our people about transition yesterday and will be sharing
some of that on Tuesday night. Hope you all can be there. We also
would like to have an "adult" Christmas party, simply meaning no
children. While we recognize that may be difficult, perhaps we can
find a person to watch the children. It just seems like there is no
real time for a lot of you parents to get "adult" time.

Looking forward to seeing as many of you as we can on Tuesday night.

And finally what I think is funny...Here is a letter from one of our
SC friends who is on our list....

<italic>Lee,

I'm so (tooooo) busy that I haven't even checked my E-mail (at home)
for about two weeks!! But when I read this note I turned to Steven
and said "you know that's exactly what the Body needs, spiritual
pajama parties"!! I love to party and especially to laugh and there is
nothing like staying up all night to laugh and pray and BOND!! I'm so
jealous!! Would sure love to be there with you and we may have to
plan to just come up there for a long weekend. . .ya' think??

We love and miss you guys, and certainly appreciate your letters and
prayers.

Gotta run!

Yer sister in CHRIST,

</italic>

Michelle

Love,

Lee & Tina

ADDRESS

http://pcfministries.blogspot.com/

Tuesday, November 14, 2006

Tonight-Tuesday

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":

As you know, tonight is a time to gather for adults. We will have a
meal at 6 as usual, so bring what you need. At 7 we will begin to
dialog what is going to happen here. If you have any questions, please
call me, not write as I will be out of the loop until after 2 and may
not get back to you. Cell phone works best.

Blessings</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Love
from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

www.pocafministries.org

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Tonight-Tuesday

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":

As you know, tonight is a time to gather for adults. We will have a
meal at 6 as usual, so bring what you need. At 7 we will begin to
dialog what is going to happen here. If you have any questions, please
call me, not write as I will be out of the loop until after 2 and may
not get back to you. Cell phone works best.

Blessings</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Love
from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

www.pocafministries.org

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Sunday, November 12, 2006

Sunday Morning went well and other notes

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

This morning went well. It is clear that God is getting ready to do
something different. Tina and I got there a little after 8 and as we
prayed the Lord began to shape things. Others came in after 9 and more
prayer came forth. Worship was different and that is all I can say.
And things are in a state of flux. Flux is a result of heating up when
it describes a state. or condition.

Last weekend Tina and I received a few words and God not only
confirmed them He brought it in above and beyond all that we can
think. Then I went to an apostolic summit and received many words.
Again I sowed into the words. On Friday & Saturday we sowed more at a
meeting called Upward Call. (Awesome meeting! God bless Darryl &
Martha!) We came home to such an increase words can not describe it. I
feel like we stepped into the center of the stream of His blessings.
Above and beyond what we can comprehend. It is clear that as we
fulfill the roles God has spoken to us through prophets and apostles
we will be blessed. God wants to bring an increase to His people.

One of the last words I received on Wednesday from Phil Zaldatte said
this. "I have seen you in a fishbowl and the Lord has brought His
hammer to smash it, that you are no longer contained. The last season
is over and a new one is upon you. You will see a restoration of old
relationships and you will bring reconciliation to the region. God has
given you a business anointing and many will sow into ventures He is
giving you." This is very similar to a word Micheal Pipes gave me
years ago, and certainly similar to the ones I get.

I think that the Lord is doing this right now in Springfield. He is
building a people of prayer and worship. The reason we are downtown
meeting in a bank is to bring light to His community. We received good
words last weekend about this. By building deeper relationships. After
the words I received on Wednesday, I know that I am not to even try to
touch the "pastoral" of this work nor is Tina. There are 3 men and 1
women I believe could begin to fulfill this. And by January I expect
at least one of them will be in place. This is important for people to
know. We are a ministry that is built on the foundations of the
apostolic and prophetic (Ephesians 2:20) not pastoral.

Apostles will be those that build according to the plans brought forth
through the Lord and his prophets.

Prophets will bring about blueprints and work in conjunction with the
apostles.

Pastoral gifts will disciple, instruct in accordance with the
foundation set in place by the gifts of apostles and prophets. They
will be the "shepherds" of the people.

Evangelists will bring the people into the body, after seeing their
lives converted.

Teachers will bring the wisdom and teachings of God to the body of
believers.

We are going to percolate this work by prayer and worship. The next
few months will be solidifying things. By January I expect us to be in
place for reaching out at a greater extent. The Lord showed me 100
people. Hmmm. The word will be brought into the house. I think we are
looking at clear teaching gifts being used in this capacity.

Tuesday nights. Tuesday nights will be taking a shift. We will be
meeting this Tuesday (Adults only) to fellowship, to discuss the
meetings on Sunday, to impart training and to receive from the gifts
of teacher, apostle and prophet.

I need to say this. Many of you are believers of many years and you
may have been around the mountain(We were not excluded from this
process.) Tuesdays are going to begin to shape themselves around the
training center thought process. Some of the thoughts are we are not
going around the mountain again and want you to have a similar thought
process. Those that are trained will be leading small groups, the
Sunday body and traveling with us. I have already begun the process of
embracing the words given on Wednesday and have repented from the
words I left on the shelf. You will be told more about this process on
Tuesday. These people will be part of what our overall vision is
doing. Where we see it going as it is refined by the lord and counsel.
Our job is to equip people for the work of the Kingdom. God's job is
to build His church upon the revelation of Jesus Christ. We will do
ours and believe he will do His. I am going to begin to limit my time
of instruction and guidance to those who are working with us. That
group will not be all that large. Perhaps no more than dozen.

I have been told I will be "busy, busy, busy" with regional meetings.
It is the people. who are trained, that will go with us. This will
include five-fold, prayer people, gifts of hospitality and helps and
music. The training will not only strengthen the local church but it
will prepare people to travel with us. We believe the breaking of the
fishbowl word. Springfield desperately needs a body of believers who
will do the stuff. Many of you have a heart for the body of believers
here in Springfield. Tim T. told us to prepare for the exodus.

Relationships are not forged but begun on Sunday. Your relationships
are forged in your developing time with one another. We pray for this
to come to pass.

One little prayer request. Please pray for Tina with regard to her job
as the Lord touches your heart.

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Love
from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

www.pocafministries.org

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Saturday, November 11, 2006

Sunday

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>A
reminder that tomorrow we will be at the Springfield S&L at 9. We will
gather to pray for the community and fellowship until 10. At 10 we
will play worship and pray for one another followed by a meal.

Tuesday night will be adults only for training and fellowship.

The 28th will be Darryl and Martha Rodman. We were with them Friday
and today. Great time. A lot came out of it that has to do with us and
the meetings here.

Again Tuesday nights will be training and fellowship.

We have decided to percolate this meeting on Sunday through the first.
I have some expectations as you do. We will discuss these on Tuesday
and a little tomorrow.

Please note you may have tried to write me and my email has succumbed
to something. Hopefully by Monday most of my email addresses will be
operative. It appears to be an attack against a group of words I
received on Wednesday.

Love from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

www.pocafministries.org

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Friday, November 10, 2006

Prayer answered and evangelist M.S.

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Answered
prayer in caps...

*Family with no car-needs it to get work.

*Young man run over by truck and in hospital. HEALED BY THE POWER OF
GOD WITH CREATIVE MIRACLE. HE WAS SENT HOME AND IS WALKING WITH LITTLE
MORE THAN A BRUISE.

*Family needs job for oil bill and food.

*Wife is pretty sick. DOING MUCH BETTER

*Husband in family needs job to support family

*Couple has had delay in fuel supply. ANSWERED

*Man overcoming depression and getting work.

*Couple seeking the Lord's direction.

*Man looking to have greater intimacy with the Lord.

*Vehicle in need of serious repair.

*Man seeking work to help with bills.

*Couple needing God's blessing on their business of years.

Also, a brother in the Lord, Mark Sanchez will be at the Springfield
S&L. He sent me this letter. I will be out of town. Any help
available...

</color><excerpt> I am going up to Springfield on the 18th. Do you
want to partner with

me for the meeting. Can you pick up the Key for me on the 17th from the

savings and loan? It is going to be focused on healing and praying for

those in need of physical healing. I would like to involve your
ministry

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</color></excerpt><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>

Love from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

www.pocafministries.org

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Tuesday, November 07, 2006

Pray

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Perhaps
it is unnecessary to say...but a lot of prayer is needed in the body.

Here are some of the things going on that I have been praying for and
working to help with in the last day or so.

*Family with no car-needs it to get work.

*Young man run over by truck and in hospital.

*Family needs job for oil bill and food.

*Wife is pretty sick.

*Husband in family needs job to support family

*Couple has had delay in fuel supply.

*Man overcoming depression and getting work.

*Couple seeking the Lord's direction.

*Man looking to have greater intimacy with the Lord.

*Vehicle in need of serious repair.

*Man seeking work to help with bills.

*Couple needing God's blessing on their business of years.

You can see that this list is extensive. We need to come together and
encourage one another. Not pie in the sky foolishness, but loving
kindness, support and encouragement.

Love from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

www.pocafministries.org

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

This Sunday

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Thank
you for all the feedback given. (Can always use more!)

We received words from God as well on Sunday.

Important words given to us and I believe they will help connect some
of the dots. One of those words came from Pat Halloran and he said "I
did not need to know that you had been a bartender in a previous life
to know that you are now. The generational blessings are all over
you." We had a very good time at Ken & Laurie's being able to hook up
with a friend from 30 years ago, who I do not see enough of. Kevin
gave Tina and I words that moving into the bank building on Sundays
was going to have a lot to do with the marketplace here. That there
was a sound coming forth that we would resonate with. That the sound
of heaven would replace the howling of the night. (Anyone had a hard
time with the nights?) That we would pray for Chester and vice versa.
Mike K. received a word that is not unlike the words he has received
in the past, but his and Carol's time is coming closer.

Let me tell you that there is an excitement and a trepidation here as
we move ahead. We have failed at things in the past. As I told that to
another yesterday, I said that it was not without some fear we move
ahead.

Overall our ministry and it's people have had lots of words about the
marketplace and the prophetic. This morning I was awake at 5
prophesying to the businesses and the marketplace of this area. I have
been doing the same for a while. Over the last week I received 3 words
regarding finances. Yesterday, I felt and saw the manifestation of the
dam breaking. Monies we had waited on flowed into the household. I
believe it was a token of goodness on God's part to say that "you are
in the army now." He had been waiting for us to align ourselves with
His blessings.

Over the last few weeks I have had many friends hurting in the area of
finance. Monies held up, things stolen, things taken, things lost.
What is God doing? I want to know. You want to know. (Don't you?) We
must avoid the "doesn't God love us," syndrome that the enemy wants to
drop on us. I want answers! A young man was run over by a truck
yesterday. He and his family used to be part of our ministry here.
(Please pray for him.) What is going on here, Lord? A friend of mine
had his identity stolen(through a cell phone provider.) and savings
that he and his wife had planned for retirement(He is 70.). Things
have been weird. For a lot of us.

This is my answer. I felt the Lord say "Whom do you put your trust
in?" Nothing more. Nothing less. Please look at that.

Sunday-a time of refreshing and gathering in His name. A safe place to
tell someone you are glad they are here. A place to connect. The other
day I heard a lot about the Kingdom. It is a frequent meditation of
mine. What does the "Kingdom is at hand" mean? I felt the Lord prompt
that just as a sperm cell and an ova combine and create a new being,
so does the connection of believers coming together further the
Kingdom. A new entity(Kingdom) is created and readied to go forth.

Look forward to seeing you!

Love from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

www.pocafministries.org

Sunday, November 05, 2006

Letters and comments received about Sunday FAQ's

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Thanks
for the letters and comments of support. Deeper relationships. It is
evident that is what we all want.

So, let me honor things as they have come to me. And they are not in
any particular order.

Meeting-At the Springfield Savings & Loan on Main Street in
Springfield 9-12.

Music-so far we have Aaron G. and Aaron S. who have been playing on
Tuesday nights ushering in a wonderful spirit. I hope we will see more
of this. I know there are some drummers floating around and hopefully
some more instruments will join in. (I wrote this in
'96-</color><italic>I believe God is going to develop a worship and a
worship team to carry the message of freedom and grace.</italic>) Your
gift of music is always appreciated. Please note we are hindered by
sound system capability at this point so, perhaps an amp for now. and
worship people-be ready. Sunday morning is not the time to practice(do
this during the week) or do something new. We want a system that is
easy to follow and for others to plug into.

Clarifying Sunday-Sunday is predominantly for the believer. It will be
a time of fellowship and food(details to be worked out on the food), a
time of praying for one another and time for worship. Worship may only
be a CD being played in the initial stages. Sunday will be a day of
parents(Need help? Ask.) bringing the training of their children into
worship and praying for one another into the church corporate setting.
As the result of parental guidance at home in these areas, it is our
hope that children will worship and pray for one another...and of
course eat! Sunday will be a day where we bring new believers and
introduce them into the process of worship, prayer and community. We
may have a few minutes of exhortation. We may have prophecy. We may
direct prayer into the community. But mostly, it is to connect and to
bless God for what He has done. We can be "free" with the process of
Sunday. Other believers can come and take it back to their bodies,
whether they be home or corporate. Our teaching/training will be
reserved for our Tuesday nights and ultimately our training center.

Clarifying Tuesday-This will be a time of training. Bring the unsaved
if you would like. It is the word of God and His anointing on it, that
transforms. It is for adults and children who can sit and learn and
participate. If your 5 year old can worship and pray and preach, then
bring him or her. If they will study and do homework, bring them. If
not, until they are trained do not frustrate your self or them.
Perhaps some of the young adults would be interested in sitting for
your children (so that husbands and wives can come together.). And we
will have small meal and a time of fellowship for the adults. When we
have guests(Like the 28th of this month-Darryl & Martha Rodman) it
will be on Tuesday nights for this season.

Young people(13-25)-there seems to be an awakening among that group
coming. So if you want to ignite your own children and build
continuity, invite them to your home(Prepare lots of food!), and see
where it goes.

Singles-I think the same rule applies. Open your homes to the
believers who are single. They often feel left out and left to their
own devices.

Children-for now, we are on the team of it is a parental
responsibility to train up their child into worship and prayer and the
word. But, I am hoping that mature, experienced believers will be
allowed to get into the picture as time and parents allow. A few
children adopting an elderly person in a nursing home or senior
building can go a long way for both. If children are participating
they are changing. And perhaps in the future, there can be a a
gathering geared just to the children. But please-no flannel
boards:<<) Maybe some of you can talk to us about this. David Walters
has some very good material.

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Commitment-I am concerned about commitment. Commitment is one of the
dichotomies or parallels of church. We need to ask for commitment on
some levels; whether it be music, money or ministry or adherence to
the word. People are counting on you just as you are counting on them
to share your gift. And at the same time we want it to be Spirit led.
So, let's make it easy. Until many are here, we have greater reliance
on few. Tina and I are committed to the process but can not be there
every Sunday. We want you to take a Sunday off occasionally as well.
Go to another church body, visit family, etc. Just let us know, if you
have made commitments to music, etc. here, so that we can cover. We
need people to agree to open the doors when we are not there.

Leaders-Tina and I have accepted the "challenge" of leading this group
for this season. (Many of you are leaders who have not fulfilled your
destiny. We hope that changes. A leader can be one who faithfully
opens their home every week to study scripture.) We are going to be
raising up some others to have their hand on this over the next 6
months so that they can manage the day to day activities and things
related to Sundays. We believe that is what we are to do. Our future
will be the training center and travel, taking people with us where we
go through NEST.

Training-We will be preparing you for ministering one to another,
ministering to the lost and going and doing the "stuff."

Ministry-What is ministry? It is the overflowing of the Spirit's love
through you. It is not forced. Like a tree growing apples, there is no
straining and neither ought there to be in ministry. This has a lot to
do with the fruits of the spirit. No tree ever strained to produce
fruit. Embrace the Son, be watered by the word and the changes will
come.

Five-fold- wow. where do we go? Some will be teachers and we will see
you in the training center. Some have hearts to help people-perhaps
you are a pastor. Some love telling the unsaved about the Lord. Please
go do it. (Don't try and evangelize the church.) Some are builders.
You will see the fruit. And some are prophets. Again you will see the
fruit. Please note, a pastor is not necessarily a leader. Do not fall
into the American way of thinking. And let us just build deeper
relationships, using our gifts.

Money-For ministry to be done, it will require money. Everyone on this
lists understands tithing and offering. (Whether that indicates
transformation or not, time will tell.) Know that we will be praying
for finances and this will be critical. If we want to reach the poor,
it will take money and time. The word stewardship will become more and
more important in the days to come. O</color>ne who manages another's
property, finances, or other affairs is how it is defined. It also
includes talents and gifts. Only yesterday I came home to be blessed
by someone's purchase of materials for the meetings.<color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>

Our time commitment-This has to do with Tina and I. We are going to be
committed to the work of the ministry. That includes a small group of
believers who are our friends or spiritual children. We are going to
give our all to these 12 or so people. Many of these people have been
with us a long time. My criteria will be commitment to one another,
Springfield and moving ahead. We encourage you to consider the same.
No one can build deep or deeper relationships with 25 people. Most of
you have some really good friends. Enhance them. Take these
relationships to the next level.

Homes-The opening of your homes is critical to the process of the
Kingdom going forth. When you open your home to unbelievers you
embrace a biblical precedent. It is the opportunity to have believers
and pre-Christians in the room as you teach them to pray and to
understand Him. I know at least one couple who has their home open and
would love to have others join them as they break open the word,
worship and pray.

Reasoning together-Aaron S. and I do a lot of "reasoning" together as
I often do with Ken. We are not debater's. Learn to reason. Learn to
be open to the new and not understood. Be willing to have the eyes of
your understanding opened.

Excitement-A lot of people think excitement happens in the "church." I
do not necessarily see that. I believe it can. But most revivals start
outside the realm of the "church" per se. The 120 in the upper room,
saw no excitement until they took it outside. Most miracles and
healings happen when the lost are around.

Simple-In all things we are striving for simplicity. It leaves little
room for chaos and allows newcomers to plug in.

PCF-If you have questions about our stance, our finances, or our
organization, please let us know. We are a 501(c)3 non-profit church
by IRS status. Your donations are tax deductible. (You may give
through credit card or checking account online at Paypal. If you need
information on this please let me know.) You may view our articles of
Incorporation, including our by-laws, with the State of Vermont.

We are seeking transformation for ourselves, for you and for our
community. Transformation is the process of embracing an idea and
never turning back, but as the result of the encounter with Him and
His teaching, we change. For instance-we may understand giving to the
poor of our time and our money, but until we do it, we have not been
transformed.

i know it is a lot, but I feel each of you and your questions and
concerns are important.

FEEDBACK APPRECIATED!

Love from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

Saturday, November 04, 2006

Something to think about

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>I want to share something first. A
book I received called <underline>REVOLUTION </underline>by George
Barna<underline> </underline>had this to say regarding the state of
the majority of churched Christians based on research.

Regarding worship...</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Coming
to "church" was the only time they worship God.

8 out of 10 do not experience a connection during worship.

50% say that have not experienced His presence this year.

75% say they expect to get something out of worship, where as only 25%
offer to Him.

Regarding Spiritual Growth...

9% have a biblical world view

Even though majority say the Bible is true they spend more time on TV

Majority defined success by money, acquisitions an physical
things-less than 10% defined their lives by God

Regarding resource Investment...

Overall less than 1 out of 10 give to church or non-profits. 3% giving
over the year and happy with it. 1/3rd give over 10%

Less than 1 out of 20 described stewardship in terms of time,
relationships, ideas or skills

Most can not tell if there money changes lives

Regarding Spiritual Friendships...

Less than 1 out of 6 has a relationship with another that includes
spiritual accountability

Majority gleaned influential teachings from media, law or family...not
church.

Regarding Family Faith...

Majority relies on church to train children.

Less than 1 out of 10 gather outside of church to pray or worship, and
the same applies to Bible study or helping the disadvantaged.

The likelihood of divorce is the same among Christians as that of
unbelievers.

Majority spends less than 3 hours per month on God related endeavors

Most Christian parents do not believe they are doing a good job with
their kids.

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, as we move to Sunday morning(Beginning next weekend at the
Springfield S&L conference room, we need to have prayer and overturn
some of these stats. We will fill you in by Tuesday. Some of you have
asked some really good questions and that is why I shared this first.
We want to be revolutionary in the fact that we change ourselves, one
another and this community!

Please pray for one another and be a blessing. Seek to bless more than
be blessed.

Love from Tina and Lee.

</color></fontfamily>Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

Wednesday, November 01, 2006

Tuesday Night Nov 1

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":

Last night was wonderful.

After a pasta dinner(Thanks everyone!) we began our night of worship.
First we prayed for our community and the return of His Spirit. And
then we worshipped. My wife said it was a sweet presence and that no
one felt like they "had" to do anything, it just happened. Many people
received prayer. The Lord allowed me to see many pictures for people.
And boy! Am I glad we are in November. Last night we had some visitors
and that was cool.

As I shared last night with some, there is something different
happening. Yesterday, I met with some people in government here in
Springfield. They were glad to have me coming back to downtown with
business and they felt something was different. As a result, I will
need some people to pray for some specific things and if that is you,
let me know. There are things happening this week that are important
to Springfield and Vermont. It is quite conceivable there is a mighty
shift coming. For those of you who have never read of the revival in
Springfield, go to the website at the bottom of his letter. At the top
of the page there is a link.

The "rumors" are true. We are on the way to having a meetings on
Sunday. Tina has secured a location and we will update you. Also,
Darryl & Martha Rodman have offered to be here on the 28th of this
month and we will be working on that. This constitutes a change in
things to come. One of the things I would like to say is this. We will
have emphasis on the following areas.

Worship and Prayer-We all are enjoying this

Loving God, ourselves and one another-This has been increasing

Ministering to the poor of the area-Can we say Amen! to opening the
door of blessing

Reaching out-We have to do this

We so desire to be a safe house. Please pray for us!</fontfamily>

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May God bless you!

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Lee & Tina Johndrow

Pillars Of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156

802-885-2885

www.pocafministries.org

Building relationships to build our community for the glory of God.

Partnering with people for the glory of God!</color></fontfamily>

Sunday, October 29, 2006

Tuesday Night RSVP

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Many have inquired about the progress
of the Sunday morning meeting. So, we want to update you. I recently
sent this out to people. The letter is italicized. My comments are not.

<italic>Our thoughts are simple.

A weekend meeting that resembles our Tuesday night. Coffee before.
Worship. Prayer for one another. Lunch(If it is in the morning) Our
focus will be on building relationships in the church on Sundays,
believing for incredible worship and loving prayer for one another.

Teaching-an evening meeting devoted to teaching of the word. A place
for new believers and mature believers. (If we have guest speakers
from time to time this will be their place.)

A strong emphasis on reaching the lost. We (Tina and I) will have a
core of believers we work with, sharing our hearts and laying out a
"message" of the week. This weekly message can be taken by individuals
to share with their circle of disciples. That's it. Your Bible. A
couch. And food!

And before you go "NO WAY!" My "survey" of many of you has indicated
that Sunday morning messages are not necessarily "changing" your life.

This would be our precursor to our NEST training center. We hope it to
be a model for NEST plants as well.

We want to know your thoughts if you will. Please. I have listed them
by step. We do not go to step 2 until step 1 is resolved. We do not go
to step 3 until 2 is resolved. And so on. We can not go forward with
out these steps.

Administration:

We would need 3-4 couples and/or individuals who would plug in with
the day to day parts of ministry that I am not good at. At present
Tina does not have a lot of time, though if you are a woman and
thought she could help you in growing in your Christian walk, you
might ask her. We are not looking to be "pastors" as it is not our
gift. Tina is a gifted teacher and I just like to build things and let
them run. So, what does that mean, when I say "day to day?" I mean we
would need people who will counsel people in truth. We need people
with a willingness to disciple others. People who would occasionally
go to a hospital to visit someone or bring a meal. It would need
someone to help with paperwork and organizing a calendar. Helping
people know what meetings are going on.

</italic>We have had a number of people say "I want it to be local"
and I want to participate and help. Thank you!

<italic>

Children:

By having a Sunday morning service with no teaching children can join
in eating, worshipping and praying. If we do adult teaching in the
evening one night of the week, then we can figure out children's
studies.

</italic>I think we all see what needs to happen here. The children
certainly need to be taught. More mature believers can work with
parents to help with this.<italic>

Building:

Our house is already starting to max at 25 and there are many not
coming yet. We will need a building soon. This could be a school, a
Holiday Inn, or the Springfield S&L room. The latter 2 would require
moving our equipment each week. We might even be able to work out an
arrangement with another church for their afternoons on Sunday. We
would need someone to pursue this at the appropriate time. Part of our
offering will be set aside for this. We think the number we max at
here will be 40. When we hit 40 we need to move.

</italic>I had someone make inquiry into a building. This would be
free if it is available. I am contacting another church. It would not
be in the morning. And our former store building is an option if we
had $350 in cash each month.<italic>

Money:

A few weeks ago I was with Wayne Anderson. He told me to "talk" more
about the kingdom and money. We go by faith. Most of us understand
tithing and offering. But I am being real when I say that if we move
to the next level, then there is money to resolve. Whether it is a
rental space or feeding the poor, we need to agree that money will be
open and discussed. Tina and I have committed our tithe and offering
to this work.

</italic>I think we all agree with this.<italic>

Commitment:

This can not be done by commitment. Tina and I were hurt in a lot of
areas by well meaning people, but we realize we are not "done." If you
are one of the "administration" team we are going to ask you for a
commitment time frame. We feel that is reasonable.

</italic><bold>I need to make sure of this. Please contact me about
Sunday morning. A simple yes or no.</bold><italic>

Why would we consider a switch from "home?" Because so much of what we
see happening in the home church of New England is not that much
different than the methods we saw in a more traditional church. I
think what I am suggesting allows flexibility and freedom. Most of us
said we do not need more messages (Even great ones.) but relationship
and sorting out what we already know. Why do I say the lost. This week
I am meeting with a Buddhist who wants to talk about life and it's
meaning. He is one of many I will speak to this week. I want a safe
place for him. If he converts I will be devoted to his care. And we
have seen too many people sitting in homes alone. I do not believe
this is the Lord necessarily. I am concerned about discouragement and
disappointment setting in.

I will tell you. Last night I prayed from 2:30 til about 4:30. I told
God my plans. I felt like He said I was being too safe. It was one of
those "is this the devil speaking" moments. I am concerned. I value my
marriage and my family. I am not trying to kill myself. I am clear
when I say that I do not have the "gift" of pastor. Those who sit on
my couch may differ with that statement. But a week ago I was given
the word by a prophet to build warriors. So, the word says "believe
the prophets and you shall prosper." As I said in the beginning this
is a trial balloon. I shared the word about safe houses. I have been
given very strong words about the exodus to come. I do not want to
miss God.

</italic>

So there it is. Except music. I would like response about that as well.

Please if you have been attending, lend me your thoughts!

May God bless you!

</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>

</color></fontfamily>Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Monday, October 23, 2006

Tuesday Night

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>Dear Tuesday night "followers":</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>I am quite aware that many of you have
"suffered" the last week or so. I am more convinced now than ever that
the spirit of witchcraft has made many attempts to break fellowship,
harm relationships and grind people down. Last night I was up til well
after 1 and awakened at 5:30 this morning, knowing it was time to
pray. As I prayed for each one of you I sensed for many that the
battle had raged fiercely. Simple things had become difficult.
Sickness had raised it's ugly head. Finances had once again come under
attack.</fontfamily>

 

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>My response to it, more than anything
is that coming together is vital. I have gathered a few scriptures
below for you to visit. Where else can we find refreshing but through
repentance? Where else can we confess our sins and therefore be
healed? Where else can we esteem others higher than ourselves? Where
else can we see Him bless when His children are in unity?</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param>And with that in mind, let us come
together in fellowship and break bread together. I sense this would be
a good time to honor the body of Christ through communion. And I sense
as well offering up a prayer of unity and protection for this
community and come against this witchcraft that has tried to exalt
itself against the name of Jesus. Am I the only one who has
"forgotten" to war against some of these things?

 

Let us gather together on Tuesday with the thoughts of blessing God
and one another. Let each one of us prepare his or her heart and where
children are involved let us give them some simple instruction as
well. Let us help them to be all that God has planned for them as well.

 

Fellowship-John 13:34-45, Romans 12:9-10, 1 Thessalonians 4:9,1 John
3:18.

 

May God bless you!

</fontfamily>

<fontfamily><param>Arial</param><color><param>0000,0000,0000</param>Lee</color></fontfamily>

Wednesday, October 18, 2006

Tuesday Night

Hi folks:

We had a really good night last night. The food just keeps getting
better and better. I see relationships building that are going
outside of the realm of Tuesday nights. And that is part of the goal.
When relationships build outside the group, others will notice and we
will see people's lives changed.

Worship was good last night. Last night I think we made some progress
with introducing children into the worship. One of the highlights was
Grace dancing like a ballerina during worship.

I want to share something. For months and years I have watched people
struggle(Including myself) with feelings of loneliness, hurt and pain.
If we the church, can not get it right, realistically no one can. My
own issues have cause pain to others. Perhaps yours have as well.
Anger, words, arguments, etc., just make already difficult situations
worse. Can I ask 2 things to contemplate. How are we doing with
repentance and encouragement? And how is our prayer life for others?
Until we heal the hurts, we do not go further. I am one of those.

Yesterday, I just wanted to give up. The last week had revealed some
difficult things to me. Inability to repair a car properly left me
reeling. A low score on a test(I passed-just not very well.). Not
being able to get a job to take some of the pressure off our family
while I am building a business. Feeling like I am 51 and no future. If
I was smart I would have counted my blessings. But I did not. And I
failed. And added "grease" to the already slippery slope. I did talk
to my friends. I did make sure the house was clean and ready for last
night. But my mind jumped the track and I was in trouble. And when the
furnace gave me a problem and smoke filled the basement, I thought
"the life insurance will help out here." Not very right thinking. Like
each person, I come in contact with, I do not always do right things.
"Taking captive every thought that exalts itself against the name of
Jesus." I did not. My failure to do that causes me problems just like
it causes you problems. And yesterday my wrongful thinking did just
that.

Th question I need to ask is "am I safe place for people to share what
is really going on?" Confess our sins one to another that we might be
healed. I need to know that. And so do each one of us. Personally, I
could use some prayer today. I am struggling. The last few days has
been pretty rough. And pray for Tina. Not only did we have some
difficulties, but she has some other things that could use prayer.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156</color>

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Sunday, October 15, 2006

Tuesday Night

Hi folks:

Last week our Tuesday night meeting went well here. We had a lot of
children and I think people had weathered some storms and came through
the other side. I shared this in last week's letter. It was from Kim
Clement. I think we are starting to see it.
<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param>God
says,<color><param>0000,0000,807E</param> "If you are prepared for it,
you better start doing something unusual, so that I can do something
unusual. You better do something crazy, so that I can do something
crazy because you're going to command My blessing."</color></fontfamily>

For this week, I would like us to focus on praying about Tuesday. I
sense God is wanting to change us in some realm. And while we are at
it, could we pray for one another? Aaron G. and Mike have been
fighting physical sickness. Randy and Jannette have had great times
with some serious attacks. They have requested prayer this week while
Randy is in Carolina. They miss Tuesday nights he said to say. Many
are contending in the financial realm. The Lord has been showing me
some things to release for breakthrough in these areas. One of these
is "what's your focus?" I have felt the Lord saying over and over
again to us, "seek ye first the kingdom of God." Many have called us
this week asking for prayers of direction. I know that 3-4 of you are
looking for work and breakthrough in the work area.

Practical-Anyone up to bringing some worship together Tuesday night?
Last week was wonderful. Aaron G. did a great job. He asked if someone
would take this week. Let me know.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156</color>

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Monday, October 09, 2006

Tuesday Night

Hi folks:

Last week our Tuesday night meeting went well here. I thought I wrote
about it but one of those recent blank emails went out. I am so sorry.
It was a very intimate time with both the spirit of the Lord and one
another. Things are starting to get deeper relationally here. People
are starting to "dive" into one another's lives a little more.
Relationship is one of the building blocks of the Christian community.
It is what the world is looking for, as well. If you are looking for
some "deeper relationships" then perhaps this can be a place for you.

One of the things I am noticing is people being exposed to love is
bringing two sides out. One side is almost "will you love me when I am
not so lovable" and the other is "this what I have been waiting for."
What's weird is most of us do not know how to accept the one side or
the other very well. It has revealed a clear dichotomy in my thinking
over how did the church handle "bad behavior." I know what the
traditional side of things has looked like, but I wanted to examine it
afresh. One of the things I came to believe is that we the "church"
have to provide a safe place for everyone. So, if you really had a BAD
day and did a lot of not so wonderful things, you "force" us into a
position of love and how to approach you. One is we will never want to
be a place of embarrassment for you. So, I will believe the same
spirit that got you here to other believers can quicken you as to what
is wrong. We do not have to "expose" your sin. You on the other hand
have a biblical responsibility to confess your sin to another that you
might be healed. (Is that one of the reasons so many are sick? Oh
yeah-And repentance brings times of refreshing. Not feeling
refreshed...) We need to pray for you if it is not a sin unto death.
We need to approach you in meekness less we encounter the same sin.
You have a biblical response to make things right before your worship
before you bring your "gift" to the altar. I know about the 1-2-3-out
the door approach to confronting sin that the bible outlines. I am in
the middle of one with someone right now. I have approached them and
wait for their response. Have you ever looked at how that really
works? Interesting study. We as a body of believers have a
responsibility to love. So many are angry that I encounter every day.
Anger takes away our love, our energy, our health. What if we purpose
to be the ones that s-l-o-w down the pace? That love can prevail. Each
one who is fighting for finance, there is a lot being said about it.
(I am meditating on the word below.) Tina and I are moving to this
place. Just 5 minutes ago I received a call from a 90 year old prayer
warrior. He said "Lee-I am coming to visit you. I need to talk to you.
Are you OK? What is going on in Springfield. You have been on my heart
for 2 weeks.") In the past I have seen people quake at his prayer. I
have seen oil puddle up in his hands. But I have not seen him or
talked to him for over 3 years. He just disappeared. Now he wants to
come here to talk.

The last few weeks some awfully incredible things have happened here
in the community. Where can someone buy a 50,000 square foot building
for 18K? Just 2 weeks ago it happened. Some friends of mine bought
this large place and asked me to walk through it with them. Today I
have a meeting with a eastern unbeliever. He has written me to get
together. October this year can be the counter action to the years of
the devil and his halloween. This weekend we saw a witch "bound" tree
in a yard. Some of us believe that is prophetic here in Springfield.

Practical-Anyone up to bringing some worship together tomorrow night?
Last week was wonderful. Let me know.

<fontfamily><param>Verdana</param>God
says,<color><param>0000,0000,8080</param> "If you are prepared for it,
you better start doing something unusual, so that I can do something
unusual. You better do something crazy, so that I can do something
crazy because you're going to command My blessing."

</color></fontfamily>

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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prayed, just post there.

Pillar of Clouds & Fire Ministries

88 WCFR Drive

Springfield, VT 05156</color>

Lee & Tina Johndrow

www.vermontel.com/~servant/ministryopportunity

Wednesday, October 04, 2006

Tuesday Night

Hi folks:

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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Monday, October 02, 2006

Tuesday Night

Hi folks:

Tomorrow at 6, we will begin with a meal. Followed by worship around 7
and prayer for one another at 8 or so.

Anyone interested in playing for worship time, please let me know.

Looking forward to next week.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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There seems to be a lot in the air about this, so let's look at it.

Hi folks:

I am floating a trial balloon of sorts. I want and need some feedback.

There seems to be a lot of conversation about a "church" that would
begin in Springfield . Many conversations and words about Springfield
have led us to this consideration place. So, let's review this. What
does it look like? I assure you what we think it looks like is like
nothing around here. Why? Because we believe that it represents a
return to the first years of the disciples. We do not see a lot of
what exists in church today, that most of us agree, is what it really
was. Without going too deep in this letter, we want to share our heart
with you. We have spoken to a group of people who believe in us,
Springfield and what God wants to do here. We have had many promises
for Springfield that have not been fulfilled. Tina and I are going
back to what we know best. If you would like to hear some of the
recent words we have received for Springfield please let us know. At
the same time this needs to be "on you," because much of our words
include taking people to the region, so we would not be available
every weekend. And we are not asking for "preachers," but people who
want to work at what their callings are.

Those that have seen our thoughts for NEST or the way Tuesday night
Deeper Relationships is unfolding know what we believe and where we
would like it to be.

Our thoughts are simple.

A weekend meeting that resembles our Tuesday night. Coffee before.
Worship. Prayer for one another. Lunch(If it is in the morning) Our
focus will be on building relationships in the church on Sundays,
believing for incredible worship and loving prayer for one another.

Teaching-an evening meeting devoted to teaching of the word. A place
for new believers and mature believers. (If we have guest speakers
from time to time this will be their place.)

A strong emphasis on reaching the lost. We (Tina and I) will have a
core of believers we work with, sharing our hearts and laying out a
"message" of the week. This weekly message can be taken by individuals
to share with their circle of disciples. That's it. Your Bible. A
couch. And food!

And before you go "NO WAY!" My "survey" of many of you has indicated
that Sunday morning messages are not necessarily "changing" your life.

This would be our precursor to our NEST training center. We hope it to
be a model for NEST plants as well.

We want to know your thoughts if you will. Please. I have listed them
by step. We do not go to step 2 until step 1 is resolved. We do not go
to step 3 until 2 is resolved. And so on. We can not go forward with
out these steps.

Administration:

We would need 3-4 couples and/or individuals who would plug in with
the day to day parts of ministry that I am not good at. At present
Tina does not have a lot of time, though if you are a woman and
thought she could help you in growing in your Christian walk, you
might ask her. We are not looking to be "pastors" as it is not our
gift. Tina is a gifted teacher and I just like to build things and let
them run. So, what does that mean, when I say "day to day?" I mean we
would need people who will counsel people in truth. We need people
with a willingness to disciple others. People who would occasionally
go to a hospital to visit someone or bring a meal. It would need
someone to help with paperwork and organizing a calendar. Helping
people know what meetings are going on.

Children:

By having a Sunday morning service with no teaching children can join
in eating, worshipping and praying. If we do adult teaching in the
evening one night of the week, then we can figure out children's
studies.

Building:

Our house is already starting to max at 25 and there are many not
coming yet. We will need a building soon. This could be a school, a
Holiday Inn, or the Springfield S&L room. The latter 2 would require
moving our equipment each week. We might even be able to work out an
arrangement with another church for their afternoons on Sunday. We
would need someone to pursue this at the appropriate time. Part of our
offering will be set aside for this. We think the number we max at
here will be 40. When we hit 40 we need to move.

Money:

A few weeks ago I was with Wayne Anderson. He told me to "talk" more
about the kingdom and money. We go by faith. Most of us understand
tithing and offering. But I am being real when I say that if we move
to the next level, then there is money to resolve. Whether it is a
rental space or feeding the poor, we need to agree that money will be
open and discussed. Tina and I have committed our tithe and offering
to this work.

Commitment:

This can not be done by commitment. Tina and I were hurt in a lot of
areas by well meaning people, but we realize we are not "done." If you
are one of the "administration" team we are going to ask you for a
commitment time frame. We feel that is reasonable.

Why would we consider a switch from "home?" Because so much of what we
see happening in the home church of New England is not that much
different than the methods we saw in a more traditional church. I
think what I am suggesting allows flexibility and freedom. Most of us
said we do not need more messages (Even great ones.) but relationship
and sorting out what we already know. Why do I say the lost. This week
I am meeting with a Buddhist who wants to talk about life and it's
meaning. He is one of many I will speak to this week. I want a safe
place for him. If he converts I will be devoted to his care. And we
have seen too many people sitting in homes alone. I do not believe
this is the Lord necessarily. I am concerned about discouragement and
disappointment setting in.

I will tell you. Last night I prayed from 2:30 til about 4:30. I told
God my plans. I felt like He said I was being too safe. It was one of
those "is this the devil speaking" moments. I am concerned. I value my
marriage and my family. I am not trying to kill myself. I am clear
when I say that I do not have the "gift" of pastor. Those who sit on
my couch may differ with that statement. But a week ago I was given
the word by a prophet to build warriors. So, the word says "believe
the prophets and you shall prosper." As I said in the beginning this
is a trial balloon. I shared the word about safe houses. I have been
given very strong words about the exodus to come. I do not want to
miss God.

Tina and I are in prayer about this. Please talk to us.

And see you Tuesday. BTW-it is our 14th anniversary and we want to
share the goodness of our marriage and our home with you.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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There seems to be a lot in the air about this, so let's look at it.

Hi folks:

I am floating a trial balloon of sorts. I want and need some feedback.

There seems to be a lot of conversation about a "church" that would
begin in Springfield . Many conversations and words about Springfield
have led us to this consideration place. So, let's review this. What
does it look like? I assure you what we think it looks like is like
nothing around here. Why? Because we believe that it represents a
return to the first years of the disciples. We do not see a lot of
what exists in church today, that most of us agree, is what it really
was. Without going too deep in this letter, we want to share our heart
with you. We have spoken to a group of people who believe in us,
Springfield and what God wants to do here. We have had many promises
for Springfield that have not been fulfilled. Tina and I are going
back to what we know best. If you would like to hear some of the
recent words we have received for Springfield please let us know. At
the same time this needs to be "on you," because much of our words
include taking people to the region, so we would not be available
every weekend. And we are not asking for "preachers," but people who
want to work at what their callings are.

Those that have seen our thoughts for NEST or the way Tuesday night
Deeper Relationships is unfolding know what we believe and where we
would like it to be.

Our thoughts are simple.

A weekend meeting that resembles our Tuesday night. Coffee before.
Worship. Prayer for one another. Lunch(If it is in the morning) Our
focus will be on building relationships in the church on Sundays,
believing for incredible worship and loving prayer for one another.

Teaching-an evening meeting devoted to teaching of the word. A place
for new believers and mature believers. (If we have guest speakers
from time to time this will be their place.)

A strong emphasis on reaching the lost. We (Tina and I) will have a
core of believers we work with, sharing our hearts and laying out a
"message" of the week. This weekly message can be taken by individuals
to share with their circle of disciples. That's it. Your Bible. A
couch. And food!

And before you go "NO WAY!" My "survey" of many of you has indicated
that Sunday morning messages are not necessarily "changing" your life.

This would be our precursor to our NEST training center. We hope it to
be a model for NEST plants as well.

We want to know your thoughts if you will. Please. I have listed them
by step. We do not go to step 2 until step 1 is resolved. We do not go
to step 3 until 2 is resolved. And so on. We can not go forward with
out these steps.

Administration:

We would need 3-4 couples and/or individuals who would plug in with
the day to day parts of ministry that I am not good at. At present
Tina does not have a lot of time, though if you are a woman and
thought she could help you in growing in your Christian walk, you
might ask her. We are not looking to be "pastors" as it is not our
gift. Tina is a gifted teacher and I just like to build things and let
them run. So, what does that mean, when I say "day to day?" I mean we
would need people who will counsel people in truth. We need people
with a willingness to disciple others. People who would occasionally
go to a hospital to visit someone or bring a meal. It would need
someone to help with paperwork and organizing a calendar. Helping
people know what meetings are going on.

Children:

By having a Sunday morning service with no teaching children can join
in eating, worshipping and praying. If we do adult teaching in the
evening one night of the week, then we can figure out children's
studies.

Building:

Our house is already starting to max at 25 and there are many not
coming yet. We will need a building soon. This could be a school, a
Holiday Inn, or the Springfield S&L room. The latter 2 would require
moving our equipment each week. We might even be able to work out an
arrangement with another church for their afternoons on Sunday. We
would need someone to pursue this at the appropriate time. Part of our
offering will be set aside for this. We think the number we max at
here will be 40. When we hit 40 we need to move.

Money:

A few weeks ago I was with Wayne Anderson. He told me to "talk" more
about the kingdom and money. We go by faith. Most of us understand
tithing and offering. But I am being real when I say that if we move
to the next level, then there is money to resolve. Whether it is a
rental space or feeding the poor, we need to agree that money will be
open and discussed. Tina and I have committed our tithe and offering
to this work.

Commitment:

This can not be done by commitment. Tina and I were hurt in a lot of
areas by well meaning people, but we realize we are not "done." If you
are one of the "administration" team we are going to ask you for a
commitment time frame. We feel that is reasonable.

Why would we consider a switch from "home?" Because so much of what we
see happening in the home church of New England is not that much
different than the methods we saw in a more traditional church. I
think what I am suggesting allows flexibility and freedom. Most of us
said we do not need more messages (Even great ones.) but relationship
and sorting out what we already know. Why do I say the lost. This week
I am meeting with a Buddhist who wants to talk about life and it's
meaning. He is one of many I will speak to this week. I want a safe
place for him. If he converts I will be devoted to his care. And we
have seen too many people sitting in homes alone. I do not believe
this is the Lord necessarily. I am concerned about discouragement and
disappointment setting in.

I will tell you. Last night I prayed from 2:30 til about 4:30. I told
God my plans. I felt like He said I was being too safe. It was one of
those "is this the devil speaking" moments. I am concerned. I value my
marriage and my family. I am not trying to kill myself. I am clear
when I say that I do not have the "gift" of pastor. Those who sit on
my couch may differ with that statement. But a week ago I was given
the word by a prophet to build warriors. So, the word says "believe
the prophets and you shall prosper." As I said in the beginning this
is a trial balloon. I shared the word about safe houses. I have been
given very strong words about the exodus to come. I do not want to
miss God.

Tina and I are in prayer about this. Please talk to us.

And see you Tuesday. BTW-it is our 14th anniversary and we want to
share the goodness of our marriage and our home with you.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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Tuesday Night

Hi folks:

Tomorrow at 6, we will begin with a meal. Followed by worship around 7
and prayer for one another at 8 or so.

Anyone interested in playing for worship time, please let me know.

Looking forward to next week.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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Wednesday, September 27, 2006

Last night and Safe house

Hi folks:

Last night just proved what I believe the Lord said could be. A place
of safety. We had a great time. Once again the food was excellent.
Numbers got exchanged. People plugged in with the children and so I
hope your view was a positive one as well. I think everyone received
prayer. A proper "dating" night!

The word I received was that there would be "safe houses" for the
coming exodus. Healthy places able to minister balm to the needy. My
hope is that as the presence of God continues to show up, people will
not want to miss a Tuesday, but not because we have to, because we
want to. We want to get to the place of safety and anointing where you
will feel comfortable bringing a friend.

That is my heart. That Tuesdays builds relationship for sharpening of
iron, etc. It also made me realize that we will see the next couple
of phases happening soon. We will be reviewing the training center and
the business fellowship part of NEST.

Healing-It seemed like we had a lot of people "absent" last night
because of sickness, etc. We prayed for you guys.October 15-18 there
is a powerful healing conference I want to attend. I think it gels my
position on sickness and healing. Meaning I have seen too few healed
for the amount I see prayed for. I have been reading the book and seen
the change in my physical being. (Many of you remember the inability I
had getting out of bed, etc.)

Finances-many have come under attack in the area of finance. We are
all standing side by side in this. Someone asked about some of our
"expenses." Our expenses are paid by those who offer and tithe into
this ministry. Tina and I believe in the principles of giving and I
think you all do as well. We give not only into this ministry but give
"up." We can only do here on Tuesday nights(Meaning, paper goods,
etc.) and travel what the budget allows for. We have dedicated our
home to the Lord and it is his house. We recently added a business
dimension to our ministry. This supplies money as participation grows
directly into the ministry. The service is a usable one. So, when you
purchase this service you directly benefit PCF Ministries. Business,
schools, ministries and individuals have enjoyed this service for over
30 plus years. It still costs less than a tank of gas. We hope to see
other ministries embrace this .

Looking forward to next week.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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Tuesday, September 26, 2006

Building relationships

Hi folks:

Looking forward to seeing everyone tonight.

I feel that because of some "miscommunications" that I want to just
talk about what I see our Tuesday night for.

I called this Deeper Relationships because I do not want to play
church. This is not "church" but being the church. That means each one
of us brings us to the table. Each one of us has a specific need that
the lord wants us to fill. Our vertical(with God) blessing and
relationship is largely contingent on our horizontal(with one another)
blessing and relationships. And the purpose of Tuesday night is to be
"dating service." I do not expect everyone to get everything out of
Tuesday night. What my heart is, is that you will find someone to
"date." Someone you can connect with during the week. Getting
together and drinking a coffee, or sharing some scripture or praying
for one another. Is that not what our "poll" showed? That you wanted
relationships? And through the process of building relationships you
will strengthen the church and be strengthened.

I am saying this so it does not begin to "look" like what we said we
do not want. Deeper Relationships are "painful" sometimes. To think we
do not have time for "pain" or avoid things is not relating as Jesus
did. But i am talking about relationship with purpose. Purposed to
edify and encourage. Purposed to be who God called us to be. So many
of us are "not" where we ant to be. Years ago the Lord showed me I am
right where I want to be by my choices. Don't you and I want to make
better choices? Would we have gone down the paths we did if we knew
some of the things we know now? I see through a glass darkly and so do
you. But as we encircle that glass together we "see" more better!

And if you invited me to a picnic and told me to bring the food and I
showed up empty handed we would not eat. It is the same with praying
with one another. We need to to understand that each one of us has the
ability to bless one another with our gifts. Let us not come thinking
we are without gifts and offerings. We want to be like Yogi Bear and
bring that piiiiiiiicnic basket! Right BooBoo?

I am a little bit selfish about Tuesday. Tina and I need prayer. We
need "help." We need our phones to ring. We need you!

Is anyone exactly like me? do you have the same needs as someone else?
Probably not. We can have a parents with children group, a singles
group, a recovery group, but that is not what many of us want right
now. We want Deeper Relationships. And that will include singles,
teens and adults. How do children or teens "grow" without learning to
be around adults? How do the "old" stay young without kids? How do the
singles learn about marriage without watching it in motion? How do
couples learn to be better without older couples? I think it is more
likely caught than taught.

Personally, I want people on the move, but I have learned how to be
with people who are not "moving."

I received a lot of words yesterday from a prophet. Part of the word
went like this. The Lord is preparing a church for an exodus. Many
will leave traditional places. It will not happen until there is a
place to exodus to. A place of provision and miracles. And all the
Hebrew people walked through that wilderness. They were on a mission.
Let us not be derailed by the same things that caused them problems.
We need to be that safe place. It is not that we necessarily will
agree with everything each one does, but we can still be a safe house.

Let us love one another as Jesus loved us.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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Monday, September 25, 2006

Tuesday night coming up!

Hi folks:

Reminder that we will be meeting tomorrow night at 6 PM. Dinner will
be what you bring. As before we bring enough for your family and one
more.

We will be devoting a portion of our prayer to the children. I think
many of us feel we need to help them become involved and so we really
need to walk this out as our ceiling is their floor.

Anyone interested in helping out with the worship, please let me know.
We had a sweet time last week. Hope you can bring someone!

Many thanks for all the cool letters last week. Also, if you want
others to know your phone number or email, tomorrow we will pass a
sheet of paper around.

I met with a prophet in the region this morning for coffee and he had
encouraging words for us here in Springfield and this area.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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Wednesday, September 20, 2006

Tuesday night comments and thanks

Hi folks:

Thanks for being there for the first "Deeper Relationships" gathering.
Over 20 people showed.

(We need your input-see below.)

One of the concerns was food. You guys did awesome! Kudos for the
great vittles.

Thank you Jannette, Randy and Matt for the worship. We all agreed that
somewhere about halfway through the second song, God manifested His
presence in a wonderful way. And as I overheard the praying for one
another, I was encouraged and hope you were. We had people who are
just vying for something greater than getting together.

My prayer has been that there would be a "stickiness" of God
manifested in this Tuesday meeting where it would be harder to not be
there,

Some thoughts.

Many of us came hungry and thirsty for the Lord to show up. One of my
hopes out of Tuesday night is that we will want to show up and we will
want to be part of the process. Remember we are trying to break away
from the "go to church and get something and go home home" mode. We
want to be used by God with our brothers and sisters and then bring it
to the communities we live in. If not the gathering will be peter out.
So, please don't just come expecting, but come with a willingness to
give. Most of us have said we want a "safe" place to bring friends. If
it is the same old, it will never work.

Deeper relationships has a 2 level meaning. It signifies how close we
get to God but it also has an implication that we build relationships
with one another. It is a biblical statement that we do not forsake
the gathering of the brethren. Often really good for getting people to
church, but how about during the week. So many of us have busy
schedules, but if we do not "sacrifice" for one another what happens?
Experience tells me children walk away from the Lord, marriages
weaken, sickness increases and finances lack if we do not figure these
things out. (Each one of those is provable in scripture.) We must not
wrongly discern the body of Christ. (1 Cor. 11-Isn't it possible it is
more meaningful than "communion?") If we don"t figure out some way of
being in communication with one another other than Tuesday night,
Tuesday night will probably be rendered meaningless. at some point.
Get together with someone you met last night.

One of the biggest complaints of children in the church is that they
do not think we walk out our Christianity. They often sense hypocrisy.
The greatest 2 commandments were love God and love thy neighbor. I
feel that we must get this right in the case of loving one another. In
the case of the children, they need to know the love of adults. It
provides safety and comfort for them. We want more relationship with
God. Each day I meet with people of God for the purpose of building
bridges and strengthening relationships. People want to see real
relationships.

What would our communities look like if we began to reach out for
relationships?

Prayer-please keep LuAnn in prayer as she spent a lot of time in the
hospital over what appeared to be heart related. (The reason her and
Jim weren't there.)

You can post your response on the blog, or write or call Tina and I,
but input is good for us.

Thanks!

Blessings,

Lee & Tina

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